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Auteur: | Orita [ 21 aug 2008, 05:16 ] |
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- When the locking system of the 1891/97TS bayonet is put together, there is an important condition: with the locking piece in position the press-stud button [and its spring] must be screwed tight to the locking piece and the cut-out located on the press-stud button [see it on my Photo 1 / BOTTOM, the spring covers a little the cut-out] must be at the lower position in order to allow the metal pin to be fixed in position to secure the system. To achieve this condition, the thread made at the bottom of the locking piece has to be made in a certain way or the cut-out from the press-stud button won't fit correctly in place and the metal pin cannot be inserted [this problem can be solved in two ways]. ---> The original scabbard for the 1891 and 1891/97TS bayonets has 4 variations but like I mentioned, I don't have the scabbard. ---> To attach the 1891/97TS bayonet to the Italian 6,5mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine, first the muzzle ring must be fit into the barrel end with the bayonet on the right side of the weapon, then the bayonet must be rotated to get under the barrel, it will lock from the side. ---> To release the 1891/97TS bayonet from the locked position, the press-stud button from the end of the pommel must be pushed against to unlock the bayonet which has to be rotated counter clockwise to the right side of the weapon and after that moved forward to set free the muzzle ring from the barrel end. Orita 08/21/08 |
Auteur: | Orita [ 21 aug 2008, 15:04 ] |
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- @ virjinz: Many thanks for posting all my pictures, I do appreciate your help. I also have more photos showing in detail the "upper band" piece and its bayonet lug. Let me know if you want these pictures to be posted here, so I can e-mail them to you. ---> If somebody wants to see old Italian weapons and the 1891/97TS bayonet, please enter here at http://www.cruffler.com/historic-december01.html Orita 08/21/08 P.S. The Italian 1891 and 1891/97TS bayonets have wooden grips secured in place to the blade tang with 2 rivets set into washers [like most of the Austrian made M-1893 Mannlicher knife bayonets used by Romanians and Turks]. |
Auteur: | Orita [ 24 aug 2008, 05:05 ] |
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- According with the 4th edition of the volume "Standard Catalog of Military Firearms" [The Collector's Price and Reference Guide, Bayonets included] by Phillip Peterson, the Italian 1891/97TS bayonet has a value between 125.00 - 275.00 [or even higher] US dollars in contrast with the more common Italian 1891 or 1941 bayonet that has a value between 50.00 - 125.00 US dollars. The bayonets are priced according with their condition. Orita 08/23/08 |
Auteur: | virjinz [ 24 aug 2008, 08:11 ] |
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sometimes people sell them as normal 1891 bayonets and I hope to find a seller that makes that mistake and charges the lower price |
Auteur: | Orita [ 24 aug 2008, 15:01 ] |
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- @ virjinz: It's very true, sometimes the seller has no idea what he/she sells, especially when that person isn't a bayonet collector. A few years ago I got from a flea market in Georgia (USA) an original German 71/84 knife bayonet with no scabbard and abused blade but for only $ 5.00, it was a super-deal. => NOTE: The 6,5mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine and its 1891/97TS bayonet were introduced in 1897. I think this weapon was manufactured until the end of WW1 but the 1891/97TS bayonet wasn't made during all that period of time since after some years the 1891 bayonet with the normal locking system was used for the carbine too. Anyone who knows exctly how many years the 1891/97TS bayonet was manufactured [starting with the year 1897]??? Orita 08/24/08 |
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